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You can download the paper by clicking the button above. In Jewish apocalyptic mythology Nero was depicted as a bestial figure, no doubt because the war that ended with the destruction of the Temple was commenced under his reign. Several other martyrs. Subsequently, the author provides his interpretation of the allegoric names Danads suggesting that it was given to Christian women who, for religious reasons, refused or reduced sexual relations with their pagan husbands a motif quite frequently met in ancient Christian literature. Under Martin V he reached the top rank of his office, as Apostolicus Secretarius, papal secretary. The climax of the story starts here. Nero was seen as a benefactor of the poor and common persons and a future restorer of a golden age. This cannot be true because of the many warnings of judgment for Christians (e.g., Gal. He says: Evidently two developments had taken place prior to his writing the Annales: I dont know if they will print it, because it relates to a secondary subject within the review in question. Through envy and jealousy, the greatest and most righteous pillars [of the Church] have been persecuted and put to death. Through envy, those women, the Danaids 32 32 Some suppose these to have been the names of two eminent female martyrs under Nero; others regard the clause as an interpolation. For all we know from the available evidence Peter died in the 50s, in Jerusalem, peacefully in his sleep. Moreover, Shaw ignores the effect of certain writings by Christians later than Tacitus who not only show ignorance, they present a picture which has to rule out any Neronian pogrom. Dirce who treats Antiope cruelly throughout her life, instructs the twins to kill their mother. Bowersock, somewhat chagrined, admits to being taken aback by Shaws carefully reasoned case that such an established tradition could suddenly be undercut, revealing cracks in an edifice we thought we knew well.. 1 Clem. However, Shaw stresses the importance of recognising the passage is the only source for the involvement of Christians with the fire and their persecution in its aftermath.. The late tales of the martyrdoms of Peter and Paul appear to have been expressions of what second century Christians wanted to believe. And then the women who had husbands celebrated ritual banquets and nightly vigils. Belus was believed to be a descendant of Io, a princess of Argos who lived most of her life in Egypt. Parts came from written records about the fire, and oral recollections; others came from contemporary cognizance of imperial administrators about such an identifiable and threatening group, and still others were further contemporary sources that linked the Christians with Nero. There is every good reason for historians to have grave doubts about the story of an attack on Christians by Nero that emerged decades after the fire itself.They should be sceptical to the point of dismissing the commonly accepted idea of Nero as a persecutor, indeed the first great persecutor of Christians, specifically in connection with the conflagration that raged through Rome in July of 64. The rank was true of Tacitus own time, but not of Pilatus own when praefectus was the title held by the governor of Judaea. These were the measures devised by human planning [i.e. 5 (trans. I think I was the first to present a comprehensive case (587-630) for the whole Neronian persecution as a consequence of the Great Fire, let alone the idea of any Christian responsibility for it, as being a later myth. the name was corrupted according to Mauricius Schmidt in his annotations in Hyginus. "When Alexandros [Alexander the Great] the son of Philippos led his forces against Thebes the gods sent them signs and portents presaging their imminent fate . available online @ http://dspace.nwu.ac.za/handle/10394/14213, Your email address will not be published. (A white Muslim convert I knew well in Norwich once said to me, We dont make your distinction between fact and fiction!). 57 (trans. His treatment, although unnecessarily prolix, argues quite powerfully against the widespread conviction that Chrestus is Christ. Most Americans tend to think of religion as something rather fluid. hmm no. Covered with the hides of wild animals they perished by being torn to pieces by dogs or, fixed to stakes (or, crosses) they were set afire in the darkening evening as a form of night lighting. Its an interesting hypothesis. ], suffered (capital) punishment in the reign of Tiberius through the agency of the procurator Pontius Pilatus. . It is most likely that Tacitus and Pliny exchanged information on these Christians who, as Pliny records, appeared to bebecoming a noticeable social nuisance. .The Sybilline Oracles believed the legend that Nerowas a Once and Future Kinga villain in the West but a hero in the Eastwho would one day return at the head of the Parthian armies to destroy the Roman Empire. Tacitus himself was well aware of these developments. The two narrative lines look too similar to be independent of one another. ", "Fantastic. "[The rivers and springs flee before the pregnant goddess Leto, fearing the wrath of Hera should they provide her refuge :] Fled, too, Aonia [Boiotia] on the same course, and [the Naiades] Dirke (Dirce) and Strophia, holding the hands of their sire, dark-pebbled Ismenos (Ismenus). 57 (trans. The first is the apocalyptic idea, which saw in Nero the Antichrist, the embodiment of all evil, the terrible adversary of the Messiah and his followers. Anyone interested in becoming a professional umpire and becoming eligible to work in the minor leagues must attend one of the two umpire schools sanctioned by Major League Baseball. Thank you for this careful and engaged reading of my work much appreciated! . The Church of St. Clement is one of the most fascinating places in Rome. A technical comment regarding Clements Letter to the Corinthians: As far as I remember (also from Earl Dohertys texts), the expressions put to death (in most righteous pillars [of the Church] have been persecuted and put to death) and suffered martyrdom under the prefects do not correspond to the Greek text (which gives no indication of violent deaths). Therefore, unless one simply presumes, in a complete void of supporting data, that the words in the pseudo-Clement must have some relationship to the fire in 64 C.E., there is nothing in the text that would lead any reasonably critical reader to connect the two events. His views are at bottom mere apologetics, anyway as you yourself comment with respect to point 2. A DIFFERENT VIEW OF CLEMENS ROMANUS A DIFFERENT VIEW OF CLEMENS ROMANUS WILHELMHOOIJBERGH, A. E. 1975-07-01 00:00:00 While the writer was studying the first epistle of Clement to the Corinthians with a view to getting a clearer idea as to the conception of sin among the Apostolic Fathers some questions arose. Presuming this much to be true, one might then further speculate about what was happening to the women concerned. Thus was he removed from the world, and went into the holy place, having proved himself a striking example of patience. I think, though, that Clement is simply saying that battle for holiness and a pure church is a battle every church must continue in. In the classical tradition, they came to represent the futility of a repetitive task that can never be completed (see also Sisyphus and Ocnus). Let us attend to what is good, pleasing, and acceptable in the sight of Him who formed us. The key reference here isBarnes, T. D. 2010: Early Christian Hagiography and Roman History, Tubingen. Please carry on. 2. Five Reasons Why Mythicism is Disappointing, Where Morality Comes From a Rawlsian view, As for Near Death Experiences, I ask myself what is more likely: that a person really did in some sense, There are tonnes of things in the ot that draw from ancient near East beliefs, further Myth made fact a, Dear Austendw, Darshans essay is fascinating, and shows in my opinion how much Leviticus sacrificial and purity laws are at, Hi Neil As you may remember, I have not in the past been a fan of Russell Gmirkins theory that, I wish there was an edit button: These bittersweet messages seem, to me, to be more of a sigh of, The problem of course is that the serpents advice is perfectly reasonable and indeed wise. This first letter of Clement (a second letter was falsely attributed to him) was copied by the Corinthian Church and circulated all over the empire, rendering the very first papal encyclical. It was so highly regarded by the universal church that for several centuries the Church in Egypt and elsewhere regarded it as one of the New Testament scriptures. Indeed, the degree of certainty in the Neronian persecution stands in almost inverse proportion to the quality and quantity of the data. Grant) (Roman mythographer C2nd A.D.) : Nonnus, Dionysiaca 44. . They thought this might serve their purpose. Lactantius wrote accounts of the wrongful persecutions of Christians by Roman rulers yet he omits any mention of a fire in the time of Nero. Dirke was probably the same as the nymphe Derketis. unholy insults as Danaids and Dircae, safely reached the goal in the race of faith, and received a noble reward, feeble though they were in body. Shaw argues that the famous story of Nero burning and in other ways torturing Christians as punishment for the Great Fire of Rome in 64 C.E. Im also happy to see even Jim giving Neil credit where credit is due. Slingerland, Howard Dixon (1997). Wilsons TLS (11 December) review of J.D. the pagan writer Tacitus testifies to these evernt in his Annales (15, 44) as does Clement, bishop of Rome, in his letter to the Corinthians (chapters 5-7). They were the first executions of Christians performed at the behest of the Roman state. I have just sent this letter to the New York Review of books. . [T]he name Chrestus is a very common one, no ancient source makes the identification with Christians, certainly not Suetonius (p. 102). Both Tacitus and Suetonius actually refer to Chrestiani, not Christiani a detail indicating that this was the name by which they were commonly known in the early second century. Paul's warning to the Ephesian elders that evil men would rise up and draw men to themselves was a warning every church must heed (Acts. It is best dismissed from serious consideration of this problem as yet another one of the parasitic texts that have come to be attached to the fire and the first persecution under Nero in the assiduous hunt for any possible evidence that might strengthen the general argument. They had been denounced as Christians by their jealous husbands. (p. 231), Allen, N.P.L. Nonetheless, the Bible reports him as a "preacher of righteousness" (2 Pet. The DANAIDS are the 50 daughters of Danaus 1who married the sons of Aegyptus 1, and murdered their husbands (except one) on their wedding night. Abstract of a recently published article by Princeton University Professor of Classics, Brent D. Shaw: Brent D. Shaw (2015). Both these chapters make it clear that God wants everyone to partake of repentance, but in this sentence, Clement only includes God's beloved. I once attempted to engage him in a discussion on Acts but was rebuffed as if I was a tool of Satan out to destroy Christianity because I questioned his assumptions even though I did so from the perspective of another relatively conservative scholar. In Greek mythology, the Danades (/dne.diz/; Greek: ), also Danaides or Danaids, were the fifty daughters of Danaus. He was accused of inflicting horrible martyrdoms on the Christians, and thus the legend in its latest form reached the Chronicle of Sulpicius. Then the author of the letters of Seneca to Paul enlarged the legend in its primitive form, brought it into agreement with the ideas of this time, and gave it a political turn. The Christians were expecting the end of the world by fire and they thought this might be it. Nero had somehow come to be connected with the Christians; Dirke was originally the wife of King Lykos (Lycus) of Thebes who, as punishment for the mistreatment of her niece Antiope, was tied to a wild bull and torn limb from limb. 20:28). We need not recognise all Hocharts arguments as equally sound, yet we must admit that in their entirety and agreement they are worthy of consideration, and are well calculated to disturb the ingenuous belief in the authenticity of the passage of Tacitus. Per Porter, Stanley E.; Pearson, Brook W.R. (2000). "Antiope was a daughter of Nykteus (Nycteus), and Zeus had intercourse with her. This video claims that the Christians took blame for the fire themselves (whether they did or not). Im so glad youre helping to spread these ideas! Finally, at least for chapter 7, I found this statement interesting: Noah preached repentance, and as many as listened to him were saved. The purpose of the current article is to address a question to which scholars devoted considerable thought: the identity of the Christian women whom Clement of Rome called "Danads" and "Dircae" in his "First Epistle to the Corinthians". | About Us Where to stay? The presumed authenticity of Tacitus passage (Annals 15:44) has long been a key plank in the case for the existence of an historical Jesus, within the long but lately resurgent question (now popularly referred to as Jesus mythicism) as to whether Jesus actually existed or is a fictional/allegorical character. [A] persecution of Christians by the emperor Nero in connection with the Great Fire of 64 seems improbable given the context of the relations between officials of the Roman state and Christians over the first century CE. : 3 (trans. According to the footnote in The Ante-Nicene Fathers, they are either two unknown women or the phrase was possible added later. Further, Tacituss friend Pliny also described Christians in the same terms (the same words), seeing them as a plague spreading throughout the countryside of his province. And more? Whether it happened by chance or by a malicious act of the emperor is uncertain. Because the water was always leaking, they would forever try to fill the tub. In the most common version of the myth, all but one of them killed their husbands on their wedding night, and are condemned to spend eternity carrying water in a sieve or perforated device. Scholars Press. Ancient history is obviously less verifiable than recent history, and open to speculative revisions of various sorts, including the use of some presumed legends and forgeries against others, according to taste. I like Hurtados works on Christology, but at the same time I have to be alert to the fact that he has conveniently found arguments that support his personal Christian beliefs so one does need to read his critics at the same time. of an individual, and merge them with the art or ideas that belong to the childhood of a people. Tacitus does not believe the Christians were guilty, but at the same time he never tells us who he thinks wereculpable. Note what Arthur Drews said in The Roman Witneses; Tacitus in The Witnesses to the Historicity of Jesus:, Chicago, The Open Court Publishing Co. (c1912) , Finally, there is the complete silence of profane writers and the vagueness of the Christian writers on the matter; the latter only gradually come to make a definite statement of a general persecution of the Christians under Nero, whereas at first they make Nero put to death only Peter and Paul. DIRKE (Dirce) was the Naiad-nymph of the spring of Dirke near Thebes in Boiotia (central Greece). Shawnotes that from time to time detailed arguments do appear to claim the following passage is a later interpolation in whole or in part. In general, you are always free to use a paragraph or two from anyone's work with attribution. However, this torture would never stop because the basin had holes all over it and water would run out. A complete bibliography of the translations quoted on this page. Dirce was tied to the horns of a bull and then dragged to death." What seems to make the idea so compelling and impossible to dismiss is that it is based on a high quality historical source of apparently unimpeachable fidelity, the Annales of the historian Tacitus. I realized that I hadnt added your blog to our blogroll. Perhaps I might write thatlater. 33:11]; adding, moreover, this gracious declaration, 'Repent, O house of Israel, of your iniquity'" [Ezek. Previous myth: Idas and Marpessa | Next myth: The tragic myth of Niobe. ", "I want to say here that this site is so resourceful and highly on top of the most modern scholarship in the areas discussed here. "These things, beloved, we write unto you, not merely to admonish you of your duty, but also My I quote, without being accused of irrelevant trolling, from A.N. The absence is doubly striking since it was precisely a fire at Nicomedia (two of them, in fact) that caused Galerius and Diocletian to turn on the Christians in the Great Persecution of 303 C.E. In Greek mythology, the Danades ( / dne.diz /; Greek: ), also Danaides or Danaids, were the fifty daughters of Danaus. I know of no other site which offers a wide range of topics related to careful critical analysis of historically and scripturally related issues. Shaw, on the other hand, chooses to provisionally accept the genuineness of the passage. The forty-nine brides who killed their husband were punished for their crime. It would take a separate article to cover the evidence for this word not being generally known among the elites of the likes of Tacitus, Juvenal, Pliny and Suetonius until the early second century. "Dirke (Dirce) danced, spouting her whirling waters along with her father Ismenos (Ismenus).". The Law of Moses could not deliver from sin or give the power to overcome it, but "what the Law could not do, God did by sending his Son" (Rom. [26] It can be observed that the names Armoaste and Danaes (Danais), was an addition to complete the list while Scea (Scaea) and Autonomes (Automate) which was obviously borrowed from Apollodorus' accounts were also added. (2015) Clarifying the Scope of Pre-Fifth-Century C.E. The myth of Danaides is the story of fifty women who commit a horrible wrongdoing: guided by their father, they all kill their husbands on their wedding night! We must not forget what a close connection there is between this narrative and the whole of Christian history, and what interest religious education and the Church have in preventing any doubt from being cast on it.. We will focus on repentance and grace in chapters 7 and 8. (MSG, 20:207.) ", Earl Doherty, November 2013 (personal email), "Note that I do not use the term amateur pejoratively. The Greek text in 6.2 is not without its complications, but it is entirely possible that the reference to the Danaids, alluding to how the daughters of Danas were given as prizes to the winners of a race, may be an indication of how some Christian women endured public rape before their executions. Finally a clever forger (Poggio?) See back issues. Doris Lessing, I like the probability of the impossible." And the way Suetonius adds a description of these Christians that was shared by his second century contemporaries it appears as if the historian is introducing the term Christian to enable his readers to link a religion they knew about in their day with an earlier group who were previously unknown by that name. It betrays some modernizing or up-dating of the facts, among them calling Pontius Pilatus, the governor of Judaea, a procurator. To get rid of the rumour, Nero found and provided the defendants, and he afflicted with the most refined punishments those persons whom, hated for their shameful acts, the common people were accustomed to call Chrestiani. They were to marry the 50 sons of Danaus' twin brother Aegyptus, a mythical king of Egypt. Tacitus presents no problems for Shaw until he gets to that part where Nero feels forced to deal with rumours relating toresponsibility for the fire. Envy has alienated wives from their husbands, and changed that saying of our father Adam, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh. Envy and strife have overthrown great cities and rooted up mighty nations. Tags: Great Fire of Rome, Neronian Persecution, Persecution of Christians. The Myth of the Neronian Persecution. To these men who spent their lives in the practice of holiness, there is to be added a great multitude of the elect, who, having through envy endured many indignities and tortures, furnished. Think about thismany apologists are claiming the disciples and early followers were killed for their belief, and the Bishop of Rome, in either 65 or 95 CE, could only come up with Peter, Paul, Danaids and Dircae. Enjoy reading and share 5 famous quotes about Danaides And Dircae with everyone. St. Clement was the bishop of Rome and third in succession from St. Peter. Lynceus and Hypermnestra started a new dynasty of Argive Kings, known as the Danaan Dynasty. The Roman satirist Juvenal, another contemporary, wrote in the same vein of the Jews. The gaps are striking lacunae in the knowledge of a senator from Italy, frequently resident in or near the imperial capital, who was well informed on these matters, if in fact Christians had been found guilty of a monstrous crime against the Roman state in the mid-60s. But Lykos and his wife Dirke (Dirce) imprisoned Antiope and treated her despitefully. His brother, Aegyptus, had sent his fifty sons to find Danaus and try to take over his new kingdom. cf. How much further than that you can go has never been defined by law. There were no crucifixions, for example. A lot was cast among the sons of Aegyptus to decide which of the Danaids each should marry except for those daughters born to Memphis who were joined by their namesakes, the sons of Tyria. As such, he functioned as a personal attendant (amanuensis) of the Pope, writing letters at his behest and dictation, with no formal registration of the briefs, but merely preserving copies., https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poggio_Bracciolini. The Neronian persecution first appears full-blown in Sulpicius Severus, a Christian historian writing around 400 CE. Shaws article is valuable for casting such doubt on a supposedly key Christian martyr tradition, but his particular case is seriously flawed. In this chapter, Clement calls God's desire for the repentance of sinners a "gracious declaration." For Aegyptus, these fifty marriages appeared as an easy route to acquire the properties of Danaus. Musings on biblical studies, politics, religion, ethics, human nature, tidbits from science. In Romans 16, couples, single people, and women are key to missionary work; in 1Clement and The Shepherd of Hermas we see a great concern regarding the social order of women and the household. The entirety of his focus in condemning Nero concentrates on the preaching of Peter and Paul at Rome and the effects of their ideas in the city. The connections were such that Tacitus had at his disposal, in either written or oral sources, what he believed to be credible and compelling grounds to accept the stories that linked the Christians, Nero, and the fire at Rome as elements of a true narrative. No names; no date; no place. When she was with child, and her father threatened her, she ran away to Epopeus at Sikyon (Sicyon) and was married to him. (There have been dubious attempts to force some of these writers into supposedly alluding to such an event.). Books and publications are covered with a range of perspectives with attempts at fair and accurate representation of others arguments and content (where there are occasional and inevitable missteps on that I notice Neil making corrections and apologies where warranted, which wins points with me). : Brent D. 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